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Moving from SQL 2005 [SQL_Latin1_General_CP1_CI_AS] to 2008 - will I lose any features by using 'backwards compatibility'
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Problem
We're moving from SQL 2005 [Instance and DB have collation of
I completed a SQL 2008 R2 installation, and used default
On installation of SQL 2008 R2, I have the option on installation to use
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This will allow me to not have problems with #temp tables, but are there pitfalls?
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Would I lose any functionality or features of any kind by not using a "current" collation of SQL 2008?
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Would I at some point be forced to go to
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I read that some DBA's script complete the rows of complete databases, and then run the insert script into the database with the new collation - I'm very scared and wary of this - would you recommend doing this?
SQL_Latin1_General_CP1_CI_AS] to SQL 2008 [which defaults to Latin1_General_CI_AS].I completed a SQL 2008 R2 installation, and used default
Latin1_General_CI_AS collation, with the restoration of the database still on SQL_Latin1_General_CP1_CI_AS. The excepted problems occurred - the #temp tables where in Latin1_General_CI_AS whilst the db was in SQL_Latin1_General_CP1_CI_AS and this is where I am now - I need advice on the pitfalls now please.On installation of SQL 2008 R2, I have the option on installation to use
'SQL Collation, used for backwards compatibility' where I have the option to select the same collation as the 2005 database : SQL_Latin1_General_CP1_CI_AS.-
This will allow me to not have problems with #temp tables, but are there pitfalls?
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Would I lose any functionality or features of any kind by not using a "current" collation of SQL 2008?
- What about when we move (e.g. in 2 years ) from 2008 to SQL 2012? Will I have problems then?
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Would I at some point be forced to go to
Latin1_General_CI_AS?-
I read that some DBA's script complete the rows of complete databases, and then run the insert script into the database with the new collation - I'm very scared and wary of this - would you recommend doing this?
Solution
First of all, apologies for such a long answer, as I feel that still there is a lot of confusion when people talk about terms like collation, sort order, code page, etc.
From BOL :
Collations in SQL Server provide sorting rules, case, and accent sensitivity properties for your data. Collations that are used with character data types such as char and varchar dictate the code page and corresponding characters that can be represented for that data type. Whether you are installing a new instance of SQL Server, restoring a database backup, or connecting server to client databases, it is important that you understand the locale requirements, sorting order, and case and accent sensitivity of the data that you will be working with.
This means that Collation is very important as it specifies rules on how character strings of the data are sorted and compared.
Note: More info on COLLATIONPROPERTY
Now Lets first understand the differences ......
Running below T-SQL :
The results would be :
Looking at above results, the only difference is the Sort Order between the 2 collations.But that is not true, which you can see why as below :
Test 1 :
Results of Test 1:
From above results we can see that the we cannot directly compare values on columns with different collations, you have to use
TEST 2 :
The major difference is performance, as Erland Sommarskog points out at this discussion on msdn.
--- Create Indexes on both tables
--- Run the queries
```
DBCC FREEPROCCACHE
GO
SELECT Comments FROM Table_Latin1_General_CI_AS WHERE Comments = 'kin_test1'
From BOL :
Collations in SQL Server provide sorting rules, case, and accent sensitivity properties for your data. Collations that are used with character data types such as char and varchar dictate the code page and corresponding characters that can be represented for that data type. Whether you are installing a new instance of SQL Server, restoring a database backup, or connecting server to client databases, it is important that you understand the locale requirements, sorting order, and case and accent sensitivity of the data that you will be working with.
This means that Collation is very important as it specifies rules on how character strings of the data are sorted and compared.
Note: More info on COLLATIONPROPERTY
Now Lets first understand the differences ......
Running below T-SQL :
SELECT *
FROM::fn_helpcollations()
WHERE NAME IN (
'SQL_Latin1_General_CP1_CI_AS'
,'Latin1_General_CI_AS'
)
GO
SELECT 'SQL_Latin1_General_CP1_CI_AS' AS 'Collation'
,COLLATIONPROPERTY('SQL_Latin1_General_CP1_CI_AS', 'CodePage') AS 'CodePage'
,COLLATIONPROPERTY('SQL_Latin1_General_CP1_CI_AS', 'LCID') AS 'LCID'
,COLLATIONPROPERTY('SQL_Latin1_General_CP1_CI_AS', 'ComparisonStyle') AS 'ComparisonStyle'
,COLLATIONPROPERTY('SQL_Latin1_General_CP1_CI_AS', 'Version') AS 'Version'
UNION ALL
SELECT 'Latin1_General_CI_AS' AS 'Collation'
,COLLATIONPROPERTY('Latin1_General_CI_AS', 'CodePage') AS 'CodePage'
,COLLATIONPROPERTY('Latin1_General_CI_AS', 'LCID') AS 'LCID'
,COLLATIONPROPERTY('Latin1_General_CI_AS', 'ComparisonStyle') AS 'ComparisonStyle'
,COLLATIONPROPERTY('Latin1_General_CI_AS', 'Version') AS 'Version'
GOThe results would be :
Looking at above results, the only difference is the Sort Order between the 2 collations.But that is not true, which you can see why as below :
Test 1 :
--Clean up previous query
IF OBJECT_ID('Table_Latin1_General_CI_AS') IS NOT NULL
DROP TABLE Table_Latin1_General_CI_AS;
IF OBJECT_ID('Table_SQL_Latin1_General_CP1_CI_AS') IS NOT NULL
DROP TABLE Table_SQL_Latin1_General_CP1_CI_AS;
-- Create a table using collation Latin1_General_CI_AS
CREATE TABLE Table_Latin1_General_CI_AS (
ID INT IDENTITY(1, 1)
,Comments VARCHAR(50) COLLATE Latin1_General_CI_AS
)
-- add some data to it
INSERT INTO Table_Latin1_General_CI_AS (Comments)
VALUES ('kin_test1')
INSERT INTO Table_Latin1_General_CI_AS (Comments)
VALUES ('Kin_Tester1')
-- Create second table using collation SQL_Latin1_General_CP1_CI_AS
CREATE TABLE Table_SQL_Latin1_General_CP1_CI_AS (
ID INT IDENTITY(1, 1)
,Comments VARCHAR(50) COLLATE SQL_Latin1_General_CP1_CI_AS
)
-- add some data to it
INSERT INTO Table_SQL_Latin1_General_CP1_CI_AS (Comments)
VALUES ('kin_test1')
INSERT INTO Table_SQL_Latin1_General_CP1_CI_AS (Comments)
VALUES ('Kin_Tester1')
--Now try to join both tables
SELECT *
FROM Table_Latin1_General_CI_AS LG
INNER JOIN Table_SQL_Latin1_General_CP1_CI_AS SLG ON LG.Comments = SLG.Comments
GOResults of Test 1:
Msg 468, Level 16, State 9, Line 35
Cannot resolve the collation conflict between "SQL_Latin1_General_CP1_CI_AS" and "Latin1_General_CI_AS" in the equal to operation.From above results we can see that the we cannot directly compare values on columns with different collations, you have to use
COLLATE to compare the column values.TEST 2 :
The major difference is performance, as Erland Sommarskog points out at this discussion on msdn.
--Clean up previous query
IF OBJECT_ID('Table_Latin1_General_CI_AS') IS NOT NULL
DROP TABLE Table_Latin1_General_CI_AS;
IF OBJECT_ID('Table_SQL_Latin1_General_CP1_CI_AS') IS NOT NULL
DROP TABLE Table_SQL_Latin1_General_CP1_CI_AS;
-- Create a table using collation Latin1_General_CI_AS
CREATE TABLE Table_Latin1_General_CI_AS (
ID INT IDENTITY(1, 1)
,Comments VARCHAR(50) COLLATE Latin1_General_CI_AS
)
-- add some data to it
INSERT INTO Table_Latin1_General_CI_AS (Comments)
VALUES ('kin_test1')
INSERT INTO Table_Latin1_General_CI_AS (Comments)
VALUES ('kin_tester1')
-- Create second table using collation SQL_Latin1_General_CP1_CI_AS
CREATE TABLE Table_SQL_Latin1_General_CP1_CI_AS (
ID INT IDENTITY(1, 1)
,Comments VARCHAR(50) COLLATE SQL_Latin1_General_CP1_CI_AS
)
-- add some data to it
INSERT INTO Table_SQL_Latin1_General_CP1_CI_AS (Comments)
VALUES ('kin_test1')
INSERT INTO Table_SQL_Latin1_General_CP1_CI_AS (Comments)
VALUES ('kin_tester1')--- Create Indexes on both tables
CREATE INDEX IX_LG_Comments ON Table_Latin1_General_CI_AS(Comments)
go
CREATE INDEX IX_SLG_Comments ON Table_SQL_Latin1_General_CP1_CI_AS(Comments)--- Run the queries
```
DBCC FREEPROCCACHE
GO
SELECT Comments FROM Table_Latin1_General_CI_AS WHERE Comments = 'kin_test1'
Code Snippets
SELECT *
FROM::fn_helpcollations()
WHERE NAME IN (
'SQL_Latin1_General_CP1_CI_AS'
,'Latin1_General_CI_AS'
)
GO
SELECT 'SQL_Latin1_General_CP1_CI_AS' AS 'Collation'
,COLLATIONPROPERTY('SQL_Latin1_General_CP1_CI_AS', 'CodePage') AS 'CodePage'
,COLLATIONPROPERTY('SQL_Latin1_General_CP1_CI_AS', 'LCID') AS 'LCID'
,COLLATIONPROPERTY('SQL_Latin1_General_CP1_CI_AS', 'ComparisonStyle') AS 'ComparisonStyle'
,COLLATIONPROPERTY('SQL_Latin1_General_CP1_CI_AS', 'Version') AS 'Version'
UNION ALL
SELECT 'Latin1_General_CI_AS' AS 'Collation'
,COLLATIONPROPERTY('Latin1_General_CI_AS', 'CodePage') AS 'CodePage'
,COLLATIONPROPERTY('Latin1_General_CI_AS', 'LCID') AS 'LCID'
,COLLATIONPROPERTY('Latin1_General_CI_AS', 'ComparisonStyle') AS 'ComparisonStyle'
,COLLATIONPROPERTY('Latin1_General_CI_AS', 'Version') AS 'Version'
GO--Clean up previous query
IF OBJECT_ID('Table_Latin1_General_CI_AS') IS NOT NULL
DROP TABLE Table_Latin1_General_CI_AS;
IF OBJECT_ID('Table_SQL_Latin1_General_CP1_CI_AS') IS NOT NULL
DROP TABLE Table_SQL_Latin1_General_CP1_CI_AS;
-- Create a table using collation Latin1_General_CI_AS
CREATE TABLE Table_Latin1_General_CI_AS (
ID INT IDENTITY(1, 1)
,Comments VARCHAR(50) COLLATE Latin1_General_CI_AS
)
-- add some data to it
INSERT INTO Table_Latin1_General_CI_AS (Comments)
VALUES ('kin_test1')
INSERT INTO Table_Latin1_General_CI_AS (Comments)
VALUES ('Kin_Tester1')
-- Create second table using collation SQL_Latin1_General_CP1_CI_AS
CREATE TABLE Table_SQL_Latin1_General_CP1_CI_AS (
ID INT IDENTITY(1, 1)
,Comments VARCHAR(50) COLLATE SQL_Latin1_General_CP1_CI_AS
)
-- add some data to it
INSERT INTO Table_SQL_Latin1_General_CP1_CI_AS (Comments)
VALUES ('kin_test1')
INSERT INTO Table_SQL_Latin1_General_CP1_CI_AS (Comments)
VALUES ('Kin_Tester1')
--Now try to join both tables
SELECT *
FROM Table_Latin1_General_CI_AS LG
INNER JOIN Table_SQL_Latin1_General_CP1_CI_AS SLG ON LG.Comments = SLG.Comments
GOMsg 468, Level 16, State 9, Line 35
Cannot resolve the collation conflict between "SQL_Latin1_General_CP1_CI_AS" and "Latin1_General_CI_AS" in the equal to operation.--Clean up previous query
IF OBJECT_ID('Table_Latin1_General_CI_AS') IS NOT NULL
DROP TABLE Table_Latin1_General_CI_AS;
IF OBJECT_ID('Table_SQL_Latin1_General_CP1_CI_AS') IS NOT NULL
DROP TABLE Table_SQL_Latin1_General_CP1_CI_AS;
-- Create a table using collation Latin1_General_CI_AS
CREATE TABLE Table_Latin1_General_CI_AS (
ID INT IDENTITY(1, 1)
,Comments VARCHAR(50) COLLATE Latin1_General_CI_AS
)
-- add some data to it
INSERT INTO Table_Latin1_General_CI_AS (Comments)
VALUES ('kin_test1')
INSERT INTO Table_Latin1_General_CI_AS (Comments)
VALUES ('kin_tester1')
-- Create second table using collation SQL_Latin1_General_CP1_CI_AS
CREATE TABLE Table_SQL_Latin1_General_CP1_CI_AS (
ID INT IDENTITY(1, 1)
,Comments VARCHAR(50) COLLATE SQL_Latin1_General_CP1_CI_AS
)
-- add some data to it
INSERT INTO Table_SQL_Latin1_General_CP1_CI_AS (Comments)
VALUES ('kin_test1')
INSERT INTO Table_SQL_Latin1_General_CP1_CI_AS (Comments)
VALUES ('kin_tester1')CREATE INDEX IX_LG_Comments ON Table_Latin1_General_CI_AS(Comments)
go
CREATE INDEX IX_SLG_Comments ON Table_SQL_Latin1_General_CP1_CI_AS(Comments)Context
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